wtf is up with NY?

[Devlin]

So your saying that Kerry should be elected due to his past actions? Hell, the man can't stand firmly on an issue other than killing babies... Yeah this the type of person I want in office.

[Night_Angel]

people should be elected into office on their actions in the past, i personally don't think that bush should be re-elected because this country hasn't improved since he has been in office. just because he decide to take after daddy doesn't mean that he is a good president, take one look at our economy and tell me how "Dubya" has improved our country.

[Devlin]

Oh it hasn't? The economy is on an upswing...no matter what you look up, the truth is in our bank accts. He hasn't pushed the fact that raising taxes would be the best option for a economy that is supposedly down the tubes, and he sure in the hell doesn't confide in partial birth abortion laws, he did what was best for the country in a war agaisnt terrorism. Hell even your boy Kerry said that he wouldn't have done anything different...no wait, he changed his mind in mid-stride. He also went to Vietnam managed to be wounded 3 times ..how ironic, then came back to talk shit about the men sho served under and with him. Yeah that is our next commander and chief.

[Night_Angel]

how come the unemployment rates are at an all time high? how come everything is now rediculously priced and taxes are outrageous? how come my checks are getting smaller and my medical bills getting larger? that is really great economic strategy that we have going here. and for the fact that kerry was in vietnam, he did not voluntarilly join a war, he was drafted which gives him good reason to oppose war, especially a war that we had no place being in. he did not have a choice in that situation. he was wounded 3 times during war, and that was not his choice either. there are hundreds of vietnam vets who feel the same way because that was never their choice!

[Devlin]

Those times when he was wounded according to first hand accts where self inflicted.. All of those stats that you have issued according to the media are on the downswing.

[Devlin]

<a href='http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm</a>

here is your answer for the unemployment rate.

[Jean Pool]

New Jobs: Prison Guard, Baggage searcher, Strip searcher, oh and of course Military personnel.

You best stay where you are boy.

[Devlin]

Well "girl" I have had my stint of life outside of the military, I drove a truck over the road for 2 yrs before going back in. Made good money at it as well, I just wanted to finish what I had started. I am now 8 short yrs away from gaining my first pension, before moving on to another profession.

[CinnamonGirl]

Oh it hasn't? The economy is on an upswing...no matter what you look up, the truth is in our bank accts.  He hasn't pushed the fact that raising taxes would be the best option for a economy that is supposedly down the tubes, and he sure in the hell doesn't confide in partial birth abortion laws, he did what was best for the country in a war agaisnt terrorism.  Hell even your boy Kerry said that he wouldn't have done anything different...no wait, he changed his mind in mid-stride.  He also went to Vietnam managed to be wounded 3 times ..how ironic, then came back to talk shit about the men sho served under and with him.  Yeah that is our next commander and chief.  :roll:

Sorry Devlin, I have to disagree with you on most of your points.

I respect you, and all the other men and women, for believing in what you do by serving in our military....it is a difficult and dangerous job and not everyone wants to do it.

With that said, I would like to address some of your points.....

First, you stated that "women should have their rights but there should be a limit". How exactly is that and WHY should anyone (man or woman) be able to tell any woman what rights they should have concerning their bodies. Secondly, this is a RELIGIOUS issue......NOT a political one. What a woman does with her body will be between her and GOD and he will be the final judge. This issue always comes up in political debat and is unwarrented as such.

Moving on.....you mention the economy and employment being on an "up-swing".

This is another incorrect statement....and yes, I checked your link. Check out mine.....if you notice, unemployment has not been this high since George Sr. was president.

<a href='http://data.bls.gov/servlet/SurveyOutpu ... NS14000000' target='_blank'>http://data.bls.gov/servlet/SurveyOutpu ... 4000000</a>

The US has created very little jobs and what jobs it has created are mainly in the minimun wage range and most of those people still fall below or are at the poverty level. Middle-class famlies are now finding themselves falling into the lower-class range and those who were considered lower-class are falling into poverty.
Your information also does not include those that are no longer elegible to receive unemployment because their benefit time has run out. Wages have not increased as they do when the ecomony is growing.

Government spending is a wild now and has never been higher. It is over 11% higher from the former administration.

Here is another link regarding government spending.

<a href='http://www.federalbudget.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.federalbudget.com/</a>

Social Security has been raped by this administration after Clinton paid back the money that was "borrowed" by the Regan and Bush Sr. adminstrations. The debt owed to Social Security has put us ALL in jeopardy for years to come.

As far as Kerry "flip-flopping" on the issue of the war, he DID agree that military action should be taken as long as it was absolutely necessary as well as the rest of Congress. He did not agree, as well as others in Congress, on many of the other issues of the war....the money taken from the budget to fund it, the immediate invasion and the like.

If Kerry's military record is in question, why is Bush's not....or lack thereof I should say. This is all something that happened 35 years ago and should NOT be part of political debate. If need be, look into Bush's sketchy-at-best record of his time in the Texas Air National Guard.

<a href='http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicsel ... vice_x.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicsel ... e_x.htm</a>

<a href='http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/ ... 1481.shtml' target='_blank'>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/ ... 1.shtml</a>

As I said, I don't believe that either of their records are an issue now but it is not fair to say that Bush is honorable when it comes to his "war service".

[Jean Pool]

well said.

[CinnamonGirl]

Thank you JP.

[Devlin]

CG, I respect you and your opinion, its apparent we have conflicting links, not saying that who is right or wrong in this case. But, from what I have read, and from what I have studied in the media. All cases you have addressed are conflicting, with what they said. Clinton left the economy in a shambles, GW took over a country that was in distress and when 9/11 hit, of course the economy hit rock bottom, look at what it impacted when we lost the heart of America’s financial district in NY. Of course the government spending is high, we are at war, as we were when GW’s daddy was in office. Things tend to be spent at a higher rate during this time. If you agree with the war or not, this case holds true. Kerry first stated that he supported what GW has done, then he changes his mind in mid-stream. He has no problem with Partial Birth Abortions, all of the links that I have posted saying that people can have these types of abortions without ANY medical reason whatsoever. In 2000, political conservatives backed George W. Bush, knowing perfectly well--if they were paying attention at all--that he was a moderate centrist, with a few positions to the right, a few to the left, and most of them right down the middle.
Now they're mad at him for governing exactly like that.
Political liberals are even more amusing, for they continually try to portray Bush's fundamental centrism as "hard right wing" extremism. But anyone who actually looks at the record knows that, on all but a very tiny handful of issues, Bush is virtually indistinguishable on a policy level from Bill Clinton. Hell, even on the war issue, not only did Bill Clinton make it the stated policy of the U.S. government that we needed regime change in Iraq, but Clinton was very supportive of the Iraq invasion when Bush was proposing it.
So was Al Gore, by the way.
Bush is a moderate centrist who is actually to the left of his own party on several major issues, guys. He ran his entire 2000 campaign that way, and now you're baffled and angered by it? Did you, you know, even bother to listen to what the man said when he was running for President, or look at any of his campaign literature?
Politics sure is a funny beast. Especially when you step back and take the long view of the parties and candidates. But, my vote is for Bush, I cannot back a presidential candidate who dances around issues just to tell you what you want to hear. Oh BTW the unemployment rate is up, if you look at the link I posted in the other thread found is this forum topic.

[Devlin]

Sorry I meant to say the unemployment rate is down, even your link suggests that it is going down as well.

[G.O.D]

....the only reason why economy goes up is because of war. Nothing sparks an economy more then war.