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Les see...

Mr foley(out of office)

Jack abromoff (out of office)

Rumsfield (out of office)

Haliburton--(refer to captialism)

Bush's premature proclaimation ( the initial job was completed, therefore, victory was at hand) Terrorists saw the opportunity to disrupt a plan to rebuild..they capitalized.

Nice try pawn at least the republicans were not attempting to put into office individuals who voted with a price.
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Devlin wrote:Les see...

Mr foley(out of office)

Jack abromoff (out of office)

Rumsfield (out of office)

Haliburton--(refer to captialism)

Bush's premature proclaimation ( the initial job was completed, therefore, victory was at hand) Terrorists saw the opportunity to disrupt a plan to rebuild..they capitalized.

Nice try pawn at least the republicans were not attempting to put into office individuals who voted with a price.
:rofl: You are a funny guy mr.devlin.

Foley, abromoff and rumsfield were either criminal in their actions or miserable failures by action or omission. Being out of office doesnt pardon their "indescretions" amigo.

The Haliburton dynamic is interesting- is financial rape "capitalism"? If you agree, refinance your home (pay triple or 10 times what is fair) or whatever with those fuck-up cash checking places decide to charge you and take it up the ole ass financially. No bid contracts charged to taxpayers is really messed up, no matter how blindly you support the current administrations failures. You cannot polish a turd.

Have a nice day. :supacool:
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History hasn't been very nice to your heros of the 1980s and rightfully so..I find it appalling that Pelosie and her cronies keep trying to even bring in the very same people who accepted bribes for votes.

I said it before...and I will say it again, You bring in a business that can put out the way haliburton can, and do it cheaper. The government will hire your business. That is what makes capitalism so great.

To prove another point arguing economics with a liberal is pointless...Irregardless, the liberal's stance is "If you make more money than them, you somehow stole it or doing something else illegal." Division and socialism at its finest.
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Devlin wrote:History hasn't been very nice to your heros of the 1980s and rightfully so..I find it appalling that Pelosie and her cronies keep trying to even bring in the very same people who accepted bribes for votes.

I said it before...and I will say it again, You bring in a business that can put out the way haliburton can, and do it cheaper. The government will hire your business. That is what makes capitalism so great.

To prove another point arguing economics with a liberal is pointless...Irregardless, the liberal's stance is "If you make more money than them, you somehow stole it or doing something else illegal." Division and socialism at its finest.
Haliburton is doing business cheaper than who? They got the contract as they have a their own "cronie" in the white house. Capitalism is great, in my mind No bid contracts are not in any text book on capitalism but what the hell you seem to be the expert on economics- show me where crooked deals are considered capitalism.

Finally, I am a liberal, not a socialist. Your opinion about liberals is just that- doesn't prove anything and it is weak to suggest that it does. :noob:
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No I am saying that haliburton is th eonly company as of current that can produce the way they can, therefore they have an economic right to charge for their service. If another company came in and did the same kind of job that haliburton does and charge cheaper...then of course they would get the job.

Let’s face it, when you get right down to it, all of liberalism is fueled by a singular strategy—a strategy which has been continually perfected and relentlessly executed over the past forty years. That strategy is to promote and exploit divisiveness.

But the reality is that divisiveness does not come from those who are trying to make some contribution to our society. The reality is that divisiveness does not come from those who expect others to at least try to do the same. The reality is that divisiveness comes from those who are always trying to get something out of a society far beyond what they are willing to put back in. The reality is that divisiveness comes from those who are always trying to get something for nothing…Socialism at its finest.
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And what do these kinds of people view as the solution to this imaginary injustice? Why special rights, privileges and opportunities for themselves, of course. Level the playing field. Get something for nothing. Take from the rich, the white, the male dominated, homophobic society that has already given them everything. Take what they have, what they built, what they earned...whether it be money, property, liberty or opportunity...and find some way, some justification, some cause or some guise to redistribute it to the people who have done nothing to earn it. To people who refuse to compete on merit. To people who insist on taking more out of society than what they put in to it. To people who don’t give a damn that their inclusion comes only at the expense of someone else’s exclusion. The strategy is simple, really—promote divisiveness and then exploit it for your own benefit.


If you claim to be a liberal...then these are your core beliefs..
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Devlin wrote:And what do these kinds of people view as the solution to this imaginary injustice? Why special rights, privileges and opportunities for themselves, of course. Level the playing field. Get something for nothing. Take from the rich, the white, (and sometimes black, if they earnied it.) the male or female dominated, homophobic society that has already given them everything. Take what they have, what they built, what they earned...whether it be money, property, liberty or opportunity...and find some way, some justification, some cause or some guise to redistribute it to the people who have done nothing to earn it. To people who refuse to compete on merit. To people who insist on taking more out of society than what they put in to it. To people who don’t give a damn that their inclusion comes only at the expense of someone else’s exclusion. The strategy is simple, really—promote divisiveness and then exploit it for your own benefit.


If you claim to be a liberal...then these are your core beliefs..
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Devlin wrote:
Devlin wrote:And what do these kinds of people view as the solution to this imaginary injustice? Why special rights, privileges and opportunities for themselves, of course. Level the playing field. Get something for nothing. Take from the rich, the white, (and sometimes black, if they earnied it.) the male or female dominated, homophobic society that has already given them everything. Take what they have, what they built, what they earned...whether it be money, property, liberty or opportunity...and find some way, some justification, some cause or some guise to redistribute it to the people who have done nothing to earn it. To people who refuse to compete on merit. To people who insist on taking more out of society than what they put in to it. To people who don’t give a damn that their inclusion comes only at the expense of someone else’s exclusion. The strategy is simple, really—promote divisiveness and then exploit it for your own benefit.


If you claim to be a liberal...then these are your core beliefs..
I disagree with your broad generalization of liberalism. I classify myself as liberal but hey, I understand you don't get something for nothing. Why did Bill Clinton change the law that limiting welfare benefits? Shouldn't he have just opened up the coffers and given all the money to those who can't or won't do for themselves? :dunno:

Liberalism is an ideology, philosophical view, and political tradition which holds that liberty is the primary political value.[1] Liberalism has its roots in the Western Age of Enlightenment, but the term has taken on different meanings in different time periods (for example now in the United States generally it means new liberalism while in the rest of the world has the meaning of classical liberalism).

Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power (especially of government and religion), the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected.[2] In modern society, liberals favor a liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law and an equal opportunity to succeed.[3]
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you actually believe that?

Then explain Class warfare, race baiting, name calling and man-hating—all with a singular goal: to get themselves in power by promoting and exploiting divisiveness. Of course, once this divisiveness turns into frenzy, these same people suddenly act as if they actually want to solve a problem that didn’t even exist before they did everything they possibly could to create it.

To liberals, every issue, every situation is an opportunity to divide. History, religion, the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, the death of a soldier, a political debate, the hurricane which devastated New Orleans. Every tragedy exploited to divide. Every victory belittled to divide. Every incident, every word, every distorted statistic, every holiday—you name it, liberals will find some way to divide it.

explain that please.
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Clinton is not as"liberal" as you may think. He much like Hiliary plays the system in order to get the votes. He generally does not believe in "big government" like liberals do.. his nearly successfull attempt to rid the US of a strong military force was prrof of that.
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Devlin wrote:you actually believe that?

Then explain Class warfare, race baiting, name calling and man-hating—all with a singular goal: to get themselves in power by promoting and exploiting divisiveness. Of course, once this divisiveness turns into frenzy, these same people suddenly act as if they actually want to solve a problem that didn’t even exist before they did everything they possibly could to create it.

To liberals, every issue, every situation is an opportunity to divide. History, religion, the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, the death of a soldier, a political debate, the hurricane which devastated New Orleans. Every tragedy exploited to divide. Every victory belittled to divide. Every incident, every word, every distorted statistic, every holiday—you name it, liberals will find some way to divide it.

explain that please.
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Really?

Then explain the continued actions to seperate church from state, the protests of our soldiers in Iraq up to and including the protests at their funerals. The actions of Kerry, Nader, Pelosie and her San Fansisco values, the ban of the Navy to even pulling into San fransisco for fleet week. The ban of recruiting at college campuses. How military students are told they are ignorant and do not belong in higher learning institutions in the north east...shall I go on?
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Devlin wrote:Really?

Then explain the continued actions to seperate church from state, the protests of our soldiers in Iraq up to and including the protests at their funerals. The actions of Kerry, Nader, Pelosie and her San Fansisco values, the ban of the Navy to even pulling into San fransisco for fleet week. The ban of recruiting at college campuses. How military students are told they are ignorant and do not belong in higher learning institutions in the north east...shall I go on?
church and state should always be seperate.

protesting is a lawful means to voice opposition.

you're going to have to be more specific regarding the actions of Kerry, Nader and Pelosie.

San Fransisco values?

i have no opinion either way regarding military recruiting on college campuses but i suspect its getting pretty hard to get
new recruits these days.....

who is telling military students they are ignorant, is this a 1 time occurance or is it happening multiple times everyday?

yes, you can go on if you wish....
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btw, separation of church and state? to protect the church from the state, not to protect the state from the church.

john kerry told military students they were stupid (or have you forgotten that?)

when these supposed leaders of the democratic party do and say stupid things, they are representing your party and therefore giving the impression they speak and act for all of you. if you don't speak against it, you must agree.
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I am also sure you are for re-writing our constitution to remove any form of morals and ethics that religion has placed. Which by the way is the foundation of our constitution.

Protesting is legal...till it turns violent. There have been several instances recently where liberal protests have turned violent. I am sure you have google...look them up.

Nader--This is going to be a "chocolate city" sounds like race baiting to me

Kerry- If you don't get an eduacation, then you will end up in Iraq

Just a brief discription of Pelosie and San Francisco values.

This is just scratching the surface..The incoming Speaker of the House hails from a county that voted:
to impeach both President Bush and Vice President Cheney (which would put Rep. Nancy Pelosi into the presidency), by a margin of 59 to 41.

for publicly financing candidates in state races by raising taxes on corporations and financial institutions, 52-48 (it failed statewide, 75-25, in spite of Pelosi’s voters’ support).

voted down a measure that would have limited the government’s use of eminent domain, thus siding more or less with the widely reviled Kelo decision, 71-29.

and voted against a measure that would have increased the penalties for sex offenders and would have subjected sex offenders to more monitoring, 53-47 (it passed statewide, 71-29 in spite of Pelosi’s voters voting against it) Meaning that Californians voted overwhelmingly to protect children from sex offenders — every county in the state voted by huge majorities to approve Proposition 83 except San Fransisco county, represented in Congress by House Speaker elect Nancy Pelosi.

The military recruiting ban passed 60-40, along with a gun control measure (taken together, that should leave San Francisco totally defenseless against terrorists and criminals).

Now there is a ban of ROTC to compliment the complete de-militarization of San Fransisco. The very same ROTC that was in San Fran for 90 yrs.

San Fran seem to be on the march to completly alienate themselves from the rest of the country withthe exception of Vermont. They should have their own intergalactic zip code.

Due to contrary belief and wishfull thinking of the libs..the Military are making their goals. First hand experience

Here is some more liberalism at its finest. Nevermind what they are protesting...nice context though..

http://santacruz.indymedia.org/newswire ... /index.php


And to finish it off...here are some famous words from Charlie Rangal

"If there’s anyone who believes these youngsters want to fight, as the Pentagon and some generals have said, you can just forget about it. No bright young individual wants to fight just because of a bonus and just because of educational benefits. And most all of them come from communities of very, very high unemployment."

HA!! FORGET ABOUT PATRIOTISM..

Did I mention he wants to bring back the draft?
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